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#51 2010-01-16 19:40:43

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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Name : I . Am . Legend
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5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

heres an easy one wink

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Eh. MVP candidate? Probably not. First/Second team candidate. For sure. But...lets not make the list too cluttered, I wouldn't say this player is an MVP candidate.

I agree,but Manson would be tough to include if I . Am . Legend's numbers are not good enough.Manson only has steals going for him.
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#52 2010-01-16 19:43:01

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Name : Ichabod Crane
Team : Nation of Domination
Points Per Game : 4.6
Rebounds Per Game : 26.1
Assists Per Game : 1.0
Field Goal % : 0.540

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#53 2010-01-16 19:43:43

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Team Nucleus wrote:

Harbour wrote:

Team Nucleus wrote:

Name : I . Am . Legend
Team : Full Eclipse 
Position - F
5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

heres an easy one wink

http://toons.artie.com/alphabet/ralph/a … -trans.gif

Eh. MVP candidate? Probably not. First/Second team candidate. For sure. But...lets not make the list too cluttered, I wouldn't say this player is an MVP candidate.

I agree,but Manson would be tough to include if I . Am . Legend's numbers are not good enough.Manson only has steals going for him.
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Should we add both or not add both wink

It's all relative.  His steal numbers are unprecedented.  A rebounder getting 23 rpg and 1 bpg is done every season by multiple players.

Add Manson, not Legend.


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#54 2010-01-16 19:44:32

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

You don't need multiple stats to be a candidate.  Players often win with just points even while shooting crappy %'s.  I like Swagger and all, but I don't see how Legend remotely does better than most rebounders.  5.7spg is unheard of in pro A, much like 9bpg would be.


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#55 2010-01-16 19:45:29

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Team Nucleus wrote:

Name : Ichabod Crane
Team : Nation of Domination
Points Per Game : 4.6
Rebounds Per Game : 26.1
Assists Per Game : 1.0
Field Goal % : 0.540

wink

If you're going to throw out rebounders at least throw out the top quality rebounder in Pro A.  Rebounders either need to be over 30 rpg and/or putting up good scoring (close or over 10 ppg) and/or adding in 2+ bpg/spg IMO.


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#56 2010-01-16 19:45:37

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Team Nucleus wrote:

Name : Ichabod Crane
Team : Nation of Domination
Points Per Game : 4.6
Rebounds Per Game : 26.1
Assists Per Game : 1.0
Field Goal % : 0.540

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No. Nice FG%, but for someone who scores 4.6ppg that's pretty irrelevant. Rebounds and that's it - At 26.1 RPG, you aren't contending for anything.

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#57 2010-01-16 19:46:59

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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You don't need multiple stats to be a candidate.  Players often win with just points even while shooting crappy %'s.  I like Swagger and all, but I don't see how Legend remotely does better than most rebounders.  5.7spg is unheard of in pro A, much like 9bpg would be.

This. Add Manson, his steals numbers in Pro A are unheard of. Off the charts fantastic.

Legend has really low rebounds...and, well, 1bpg...Okay - But yeah, that's nothing special (Sorry Swag tongue)


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#58 2010-01-16 19:55:18

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

1st post updated smile


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#59 2010-01-16 19:56:24

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I . Am . Legend will still be considered. smile


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#60 2010-01-16 19:58:03

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I . Am . Legend will still be considered. smile

Make an argument for him then.  I believe that is the point of a discussion.


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#61 2010-01-16 20:01:00

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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I . Am . Legend will still be considered. smile

Make an argument for him then.  I believe that is the point of a discussion.

Why? Why bb...hmm


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#62 2010-01-16 20:02:01

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

I . Am . Legend

5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

also has 1.5 APG.Four catagories to consider with him. wink


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#63 2010-01-16 20:03:37

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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I . Am . Legend

5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

also has 1.5 APG.Four catagories to consider with him. wink

Dude...Those numbers aren't good.  Would you like us to find 5+ other rebounders with better numbers?


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#64 2010-01-16 20:05:30

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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I . Am . Legend

5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

also has 1.5 APG.Four catagories to consider with him. wink

22.8rpg is just too low.

5.7ppg - Any rebounder can get that...That's completely incidental.
1.5apg - Nothing special. A lot of rebounders have that. Also incidental.
1.0bpg - It's nice to have, but combined with the lowly 22.8rpg it isn't that impressive.

Not a candidate.

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#65 2010-01-16 20:08:43

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Harbour wrote:

Team Nucleus wrote:

I . Am . Legend

5.7 PPG - 22.8 RPG - 1.5 APG - 1.0 BPG

also has 1.5 APG.Four catagories to consider with him. wink

22.8rpg is just too low.

5.7ppg - Any rebounder can get that...That's completely incidental.
1.5apg - Nothing special. A lot of rebounders have that. Also incidental.
1.0bpg - It's nice to have, but combined with the lowly 22.8rpg it isn't that impressive.

Not a candidate.

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#66 2010-01-16 20:12:27

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

How about
Name : The Professor
Team : Nation of Domination
Points Per Game : 39.5
Rebounds Per Game : 1.4
Assists Per Game : 1.3
Field Goal % : 0.455
3 Point % : 0.389

or

Name : Black Rain
Team : Full Eclipse
Points Per Game : 39.0
Rebounds Per Game : 1.4
Assists Per Game : 1.5
Field Goal % : 0.487
3 Point % : 0.427
Free Throw % : 0.878


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#67 2010-01-16 20:22:31

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Yep, I was going to bring up Black Rain next.  It just depends how many scorers we want to have, since everyone else pales compared to Mr. Clutch.


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#68 2010-01-16 20:23:17

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Certainly possibilities and within striking distance of Mr. Clutch.  Looking forward to see how they do the rest of the season.


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#69 2010-01-16 20:25:23

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I'll be updating the stats in my 1st post everynight smile


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#70 2010-01-16 20:26:20

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I'll be updating the stats in my 1st post everynight smile

Copy Malice, and post the line for each player each night.  It makes it more fun to track what they do rather than see a .1 increase in ppg for instance.


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#71 2010-01-16 20:41:40

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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I'll be updating the stats in my 1st post everynight smile

Copy Malice, and post the line for each player each night.  It makes it more fun to track what they do rather than see a .1 increase in ppg for instance.

malice or you are welcome to do it. smile


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#72 2010-01-16 20:46:52

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

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How about
Name : The Professor
Team : Nation of Domination
Points Per Game : 39.5
Rebounds Per Game : 1.4
Assists Per Game : 1.3
Field Goal % : 0.455
3 Point % : 0.389

or

Name : Black Rain
Team : Full Eclipse
Points Per Game : 39.0
Rebounds Per Game : 1.4
Assists Per Game : 1.5
Field Goal % : 0.487
3 Point % : 0.427
Free Throw % : 0.878


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They are doing very well - and are top 10 candidates....But, they won't catch 45.5ppg.


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#73 2010-01-16 20:47:11

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Lol, Axe specifically asked for someone to do just that and you volunteered tongue


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#74 2010-01-16 21:17:20

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Harbour's Top Ten Bird League MVP Candidates

*This was taken from Pro A as of 9pm EST 16-Jan.

There is a pretty clear top ten (nice round number eh) after my spreadsheet spat out all the numbers...

1) Mr."Sniper" Clutch (Stu pac) - Erectile Disfunction Xperiment - 45.5ppg
2) Nurse "Three Eye" On Duty (majpain) - Always Ballin - 26.5ppg, 4.7apg, 1.3spg
3) Ronnie Magsanoc (closet) - Diliman United - 14.4ppg, 8.4apg
4) Allison Stokke (blowcaine) - RK Croquet Hoes - 11.4ppg, 9.1apg, 1.8spg
5) Marilyn "The Blanket" Manson (Greg0781) - RK Beer Barons - 5.7spg
6) S u p e r M a n (chazfu) - RK Croquet Hoes - 9.4ppg, 22.2rpg
7) Kevin Rudd (ToFuSmurF) - RK Beer Barons - 21.1ppg, 4.9apg, 1.4spg
8) The Professor (bigmoss87) - Nation of Domination - 39.5ppg
9) Black Rain (SwaggerJ) - Full Eclipse - 39.0ppg
10) Andrew "SWAT" Jackson (mattya802) - Always Ballin - 7.6bpg, 1.4spg

While there was a clear top ten, and all of the top ten have very impressive numbers. I would leave the race wide open to the top 6. Because of Mr. Clutch's numbers - I would count out The Professor and Black Rain and I'd also count out A. Jackson as 7.6 bpg and 1.4spg (while incredibly nice) probably isn't enough to overcome some of the top guys.  Rudd is probably also on the outside looking in, because of Nurse on Duty and Always Ballin is a better team.

But I would leave the race wide open to about 6 players there.

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#75 2010-01-16 21:18:54

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Re: S14 Bird "Literal MVP" - discussion thread

Added in the windowlickers (since they jumped into Pro A in the past hour) - Nothing close to a change in the top ten however.

Edit: Added in WWWC - no changes, or viable candidates...

Ancient Killer Wombat is okay at 18ppg/3.4apg though. But not enough to be top 10 MVP. Sad to see Chazz Michael-Michaels, who I'd consider the games greatest passer (Sorry I know everyone loves Master Bate, as do I), turn into a Leadership player though.

Edit: Added in Chicken Mafia - no changes or viable cnadidates from them either.


I don't think any other teams have/will be in Pro A/rated high enough long enough to warrant their players being up for MVP at this point.

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