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#51 2010-09-18 10:03:35

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

I thought it was 5-4 CTTF, and in your sig you have 5 championships and 1 says Bird...

edit- i forgot you werent on it for the first championship probably?

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#52 2010-09-18 10:08:07

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

What about head to head records?

Who did better in head to heads in the playoffs?

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#53 2010-09-18 10:15:42

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

hold on, I'll look.


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#54 2010-09-18 10:30:51

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Season 8- 0 matchups
Season 9- 3 matchups; 2 reg. season, 1 PO: CTTF 3 RotLP 0
Season 10- 3 matchups; 3 reg. season: CTTF 2 RotLP 1
Season 11- 5 matchups; 4 reg. season, 1 PO(championship): 1 CTTF 4 RotLP
Season 12- 4 matchups; 3 reg. season, 1 PO: 0 CTTF 4 RotLP
Season 13- 0 matchups
Season 14- 4 matchups; 3 reg. season, 1 PO(championship): 3 CTTF 1 RotLP
Season 15- 8 matchups; 8 reg. season: 1 CTTF 7 RotLP
Season 16- 0 matchups


then CTTF retired S17


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#55 2010-09-18 10:40:47

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Overall:
10 CTTF
17 RotLP

but season 15 RotLP had 7 wins! And CTTF probably coulda gotten more if we actually tried in the regular season tongue


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#56 2010-09-18 10:46:02

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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Overall:
10 CTTF
17 RotLP

but season 15 RotLP had 7 wins! And CTTF probably coulda gotten more if we actually tried in the regular season tongue

Its why I said, only playoff Head to Heads as Marv rarely bothered with regular season games.
Its why I consider RoTP as the better team as bb didn't take the regular season off and actually played to win those games.

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#57 2010-09-18 10:56:50

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Playoffs was 2-2, and championships were 1-1


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#58 2010-09-18 11:09:13

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Synergy wrote:

mutigers28 wrote:

Overall:
10 CTTF
17 RotLP

but season 15 RotLP had 7 wins! And CTTF probably coulda gotten more if we actually tried in the regular season tongue

Its why I said, only playoff Head to Heads as Marv rarely bothered with regular season games.
Its why I consider RoTP as the better team as bb didn't take the regular season off and actually played to win those games.

Honestly?  For the very top, championships count more than regular season.


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#59 2010-09-18 13:52:06

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

mutigers28 wrote:

I thought it was 5-4 CTTF, and in your sig you have 5 championships and 1 says Bird...

edit- i forgot you werent on it for the first championship probably?

I was only on ROLTP for the last 2.  I have 2 from Jordan, 2 from West and 1 from Bird.


I just looked (REALLY) quick and saw 5-5.  Could be 5-4 and if so then I would give the edge to CTTF.


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#60 2010-09-18 18:11:42

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

RotLP and CTTF have 5 Championships each.


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#61 2010-09-18 18:13:37

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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Both teams won 5 and made it to 7 right?

CTTF made it to 6 Championship Games. RotLP made it to 7.

Both teams have 7 Final Fours.

RotLP have 9 Elite 8s to CTTF's 8, 1 more Sweet 16 (9 to 8) and 1 more Playoff Appearance (10 to 9).


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#62 2010-09-18 18:17:27

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

malice wrote:

Synergy wrote:

mutigers28 wrote:

Overall:
10 CTTF
17 RotLP

but season 15 RotLP had 7 wins! And CTTF probably coulda gotten more if we actually tried in the regular season tongue

Its why I said, only playoff Head to Heads as Marv rarely bothered with regular season games.
Its why I consider RoTP as the better team as bb didn't take the regular season off and actually played to win those games.

Honestly?  For the very top, championships count more than regular season.

Well of course, but when looking at the "Greatest" teams of all time, I think regular season should certainly play a role.


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#63 2010-09-18 18:29:53

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

But RotLP was around 1 more season than CTTF so I'm assuming CTTF woulda at least made it to the sweet 16 and probably further


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#64 2010-09-18 18:48:14

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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But RotLP was around 1 more season than CTTF so I'm assuming CTTF woulda at least made it to the sweet 16 and probably further

You could say that about any of these teams.


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#65 2010-09-18 19:03:59

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

yeah good point but im just talking about RotLP vs. CTTF now...


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#66 2010-09-18 21:52:49

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

You could argue either way between CTTF and RotLP and not be wrong.  I'd probably put CTTF first, but it wouldn't be by much and it wouldn't take much to make me change my mind either.


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#67 2010-09-18 23:18:22

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

It took over half a year before someone beside us won Jordan and ROTLP didn't repeat until we retired. Just sayin' tongue

Good discussion going on here and I could see it either way. Our resume comes complete with the only CR three-peat and the best Championship per season ratio but if the whole season counts then we tanked way too many games to represent the best of Jordan. ROTLP's resume is far more complete in that regard.


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#68 2010-09-19 00:17:22

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Which is why I think CTTF.  RotLP - never were hugely dominant until CTTF departed the scene.

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#69 2010-09-19 00:24:34

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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It took over half a year before someone beside us won Jordan and ROTLP didn't repeat until we retired.

Oh cut this shit out right now. You quit rigt when they were getting really good. What does that tell you?


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#70 2010-09-19 00:42:31

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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It took over half a year before someone beside us won Jordan and ROTLP didn't repeat until we retired. Just sayin' tongue

Good discussion going on here and I could see it either way. Our resume comes complete with the only CR three-peat and the best Championship per season ratio but if the whole season counts then we tanked way too many games to represent the best of Jordan. ROTLP's resume is far more complete in that regard.

chekreyes wrote:

marv88harrison wrote:

It took over half a year before someone beside us won Jordan and ROTLP didn't repeat until we retired.

Oh cut this shit out right now. You quit rigt when they were getting really good. What does that tell you?

Screw ROTLP vs. CTTF.  marv vs. chek, this is the match-up I miss.


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#71 2010-09-19 08:05:41

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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Which is why I think CTTF.  RotLP - never were hugely dominant until CTTF departed the scene.

RotLP (38-4) Season 11, (35-6) Season 12 and (39-3) Season 13...During this time RotLP won 2 Championships and at these points CTTF still had 2 Championships to win.

RotLP ended CTTF's run of championships in Season 11 by defeating them in the Championship Game - so it may be unfair to state something like that.

Of course S13 CTTF weren't there (GR) and RotLP won.

But same argument could be made for S16 where CTTF won and RotLP weren't there - ratting.

I mean - Anybody could argue either way - Some great discussion going on.

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#72 2010-09-19 08:09:39

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

I'll stand by what I said thanks.  As you said, it's about perception, and I never perceived RotLP to be as dominant as CTTF, whilst both were around.
When CTTF left?  Absolutely, RotLP ruled the roost.

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#73 2010-09-19 08:13:43

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Just playing devil's advocate to some of the discussion


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#74 2010-09-19 08:38:44

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

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I'll stand by what I said thanks.  As you said, it's about perception, and I never perceived RotLP to be as dominant as CTTF, whilst both were around.
When CTTF left?  Absolutely, RotLP ruled the roost.

RotLP also started a season-ish later.  As soon as they got up to speed, Panties stopped CTTF run.  And then when did CTTF win again? The season after they ratted and the season the Panties ratted.

And also - Let's be serious.  No one was touching the Panties in S17 or 18.  Marv or no Marv.

I'm not saying the Panties should be above CTTF, but I am arguing that CTTF shouldn't be easily placed above the Panties.


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#75 2010-09-19 10:33:46

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Re: Counting Down the Greatest Jordan Teams of All-Time: 10-6

Reiterating... 'perception'.


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