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#151 2010-01-28 09:53:03

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Re: Season 14 All Defensive Team

So is this matter dead?  Would be great to hear from Kaz regarding the irregularities.

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#152 2010-01-28 11:47:11

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Re: Season 14 All Defensive Team

Hannibal wrote:

So is this matter dead?  Would be great to hear from Kaz regarding the irregularities.

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#153 2010-01-28 14:23:21

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Dr. Nick says they are giving it "their attention", which answers nothing regarding fixing S14 winners.


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#154 2010-01-28 14:27:11

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What do you expect? It's Season 15. Should they go in and revoke awards and redo them for Season 14? They'd then have to do the same with every past season. The fact is the staff put up a thread to ask what we want to see changed/fixed, so write up a post for that thread. Things being broken in the past doesn't mean they're going to be retroactively fixed. Changing the winners now would be like resimming seasons every time the sim engine is changed.


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#155 2010-01-28 15:39:15

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What do you expect? It's Season 15. Should they go in and revoke awards and redo them for Season 14? They'd then have to do the same with every past season. The fact is the staff put up a thread to ask what we want to see changed/fixed, so write up a post for that thread. Things being broken in the past doesn't mean they're going to be retroactively fixed. Changing the winners now would be like resimming seasons every time the sim engine is changed.

Your ad absurdem argument in inherently flawed inasfar as the items in question only affect the sims for this season.

It really shouldn't be hard to revoke a bonus (leaving intact what is already in place for this season), and add to a worthy recipient for future seasons.

The fact remains that an egregious error (what I would consider to be tantamount to a bug) was brought to the administration's attention in a timely fashion.  It isn't too much to ask that it be corrected for future seasons (which includes fixing S14 winners imo).  You say that it is Season 15 as if an extreme amount of time and some fundamental quantum shift has occurred.  It has been 4 days.  Let's get this fixed.

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#156 2010-01-28 16:54:13

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You can sit here and try to poke irrelevant holes in my post all you want, but the fact is through two threads now you have yet to say anything other than "Defensive Team needs fixing." At least post the players you're referring to (that deserve the award). You can't honestly expect the staff to sit and look at a list of players without any direction as to what the community has a problem with. I get that you're talking about undeserving players on here, but that's not going to get taken away. It never does. Instead, list the players you feel were robbed, and compare their stats to those who won. There's a right and a wrong approach to things, and you're taking the wrong one at the moment.

You can say it's only Day 1 of Season 15, but the fact is it's been four days, and you've yet to list anybody you feel was wronged. I don't know how long you expect Kaz to sit and dwell on the winners, but the fact that it IS Season 15 means he's either gone for a while or working on other things.

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#157 2010-01-28 17:23:08

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You can sit here and try to poke irrelevant holes in my post all you want, but the fact is through two threads now you have yet to say anything other than "Defensive Team needs fixing." At least post the players you're referring to (that deserve the award). You can't honestly expect the staff to sit and look at a list of players without any direction as to what the community has a problem with. I get that you're talking about undeserving players on here, but that's not going to get taken away. It never does. Instead, list the players you feel were robbed, and compare their stats to those who won. There's a right and a wrong approach to things, and you're taking the wrong one at the moment.

You can say it's only Day 1 of Season 15, but the fact is it's been four days, and you've yet to list anybody you feel was wronged. I don't know how long you expect Kaz to sit and dwell on the winners, but the fact that it IS Season 15 means he's either gone for a while or working on other things.

Crash I think it's pretty obvious that something looks odd with the player's on this list:

http://www.courtrivals.com/forums/viewt … 8#p1374438

It has been pointed out already in the thread. When you just look at the numbers, it doesn't make much sense. Especially when compared to some of the other top players from last season


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#158 2010-01-28 17:25:08

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I'm not at all contesting that. But we know how the staff operates and how they handle things. The fact is that if you want them to do something about it, a list of people who deserve it is needed. Sitting here and saying "These players shouldn't win. Do something," is not going to work.


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#159 2010-01-28 17:25:47

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I don't think Crash (or anyone) disputes that list.  I'd love to see it changed too, but the precedent is that they don't take away awards from anyone.  Rebound Master still has a 2nd and 1st team award in the same season after I posted about it, and Poolboy still has the season 13 MVP even though he was the runner up (Demandred situation). 

I think he meant it would be more helpful to provide a link or argument about who got left out.  IMO what really happened is that the All D team was posted in the old way (run the script blind and post it blind without checking).  1st and 2nd team were checked, and from now on everything will be.


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#160 2010-01-28 17:30:25

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You don't really need a list of more deserving players when it's fairly obvious that some of those players were not even defensively oriented. I'm not saying that the award should be taken away from them. I would hate to see that happen. I'd just like to at least see a comment either confirming or denying that these were indeed the intended winners. And if it's confirmed, I'm calling BS


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#161 2010-01-28 17:33:45

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Fair enough.  It was obviously a huge mistake, and very likely the reason that we got such a thorough checking of the other awards.  I can disagree with a few 1st teamers here and there, but overall the 1st/2nd awards were great (with the obvious exceptions of the All D double dippers being denied).


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#162 2010-01-28 17:34:50

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You don't really need a list of more deserving players when it's fairly obvious that some of those players were not even defensively oriented. I'm not saying that the award should be taken away from them. I would hate to see that happen. I'd just like to at least see a comment either confirming or denying that these were indeed the intended winners. And if it's confirmed, I'm calling BS

I mean, even if you look at my player (who was not even remotely one of the better defensive players last season), compare his stats to most of those other guys.

I . Am . Legend - Pro A: 24.4 RPG, 0.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG

If points and assists factored into the award at all, then it would be flawed imo


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#163 2010-01-28 17:50:41

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Re: Season 14 All Defensive Team

Just the fact that Pro D players are eligible is BS. I don't care if you put up 10 blks and 5 steals per game, you played teams that are worse than gym rat teams. Awards should be primarily Pro A with a few top notch Pro B guys. The Bullets and CTTF have ratted in the last couple seasons and both were in Pro B for the majority of the season.


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#164 2010-01-28 17:54:27

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I am in complete agreement with the above 2 posts.  I think we are on the right track, but we aren't there yet (the awards system that is).


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#165 2010-01-28 18:02:05

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I absolutely agree with you guys. But it's a simple matter of fact based off precedent. They're not going to go back and rerun the awards script, or that would have been done already. All I was trying to say to Hannibal was that a post of "This guy doesn't deserve it, fix it," isn't going to do anything. Drum up some support for the proper winners, and go to the thread Doc posted to continuously bring up the award system until it's at the top of their fucking queue.


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#166 2010-01-28 23:15:06

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Re: Season 14 All Defensive Team

Things were royally fucked up this season with the All-D team. We bitched and moaned and now we have good bonuses that collaborate with the importance of the award and we seem to have sorta the formula (well, it's better than what we had for the All-D team..)

Lets all hold our collective breath and wait for next season eh tongue


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